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Seeking New Association Secretary

Posted by Pat O'Brien on July 20, 2014 at 6:20 PM Comments comments (0)

With Harry Fleming moving to the Villages in central Florida, we need someone to

take over his position as secretary in the Association.  Please contact the President,

Bill Jones, if you're interested.  

Move it forward

Posted by Pete Hackney on June 7, 2014 at 1:30 PM Comments comments (0)

Just to add some further reflections to the topic.  I have talked to several members who say they know numerous (5-6) people who dropped out because courses are too long for them off the white tees.  As a long time "floater" I got to play with a fair portion of the membership and saw some good and not so good players. Mark Mike is a wonderful player and knocked it on all four par fives making four two putt birdies the day I played with him at Osceola.  If you want him to drop out of Sandcrabs just make him move back to where he cannot reach most par fours with his best two shots.

If you cannot reach some par fives in two and the occasional par four in one then you are effectively playing farther back than the pros.  My career round is 64 which I have done twice.  I didn't do it by "sticking" irons.  Instead it was eagles, two put and chip and put birdies with a few close irons.  Even the senior tees are too far for me to do this now except for the occasional hole (twice in the last six rounds).

Dave Peltz says to move forward if your average par four approach shot is with a 5-iron or stronger club.  I couldn't agree more.  With the Pin Seekers I am in flight A on 21 points.  This is only three points better than bogey golf, rediculous for "A Flight". This group obviously plays too far back also.

The recent relenting of the white tee mandate was good but in my opinion we should move to where "A Flight" players have 28 or more points.


Pete Hackney

Move it Forward

Posted by Pat O'Brien on April 15, 2014 at 1:00 PM Comments comments (0)

I want to thank Pete Hackney for responding to the "Move It Forward" entry.  I think there are more members who feel we need to move the tees up to make the game more enjoyable.  If there's to be a change, the board of governors needs to be made aware of the desires of the membership.  This website is a good tool for doing just that.  Let your voice be heard.  Pat O'Brien

Tee Policy

Posted by Pete Hackney on March 6, 2014 at 6:00 PM Comments comments (0)

This responds to Pat's invitation to comment on the tees we play.  The USGA  and PGA (non-tour proffesionals) recommend moving to a tee that is enjoyable to play and speeds play. Our utter disregard for these recommendations has predictably led to a loss of aging players.  If we are playing points then Tiger could play from the reds.  He still has to play a lot better than usual to win.

When I joined the Sandcrabs I was told I would be on a wait list.  The next tournament was Tiger Point where I got to play because so many members opted out due to course length.  Back then it was several more tournaments before you got back in.  This shows what members were willing to give up to avoid a long track.

At Scenic Hills I was angry over the white tees which were mostly four to eight yards in front of the blues on a wet track.   Less than a club's difference.  I managed two GIR'S, one with a 3-metal, and 17 of my 18 points.  I putted extremly well but no birdies.  Except for the putting, it was not much fun.  On March 6 I played Secnic with my Wednesday group, ages 67 to 78.  All four in my particular group have battled cancer.  We played from the senior tees.  I had seven GIR's with a birdie and a lot of pars even though the track was wetter than two Monday's earlier and I didn't putt nearly as well.  It was a lot more enjoyable.  Without a tee policy change I will probably drop out of the Sandcrabs after this year.

We  should level with the courses we play that we can no longer provide full fields because of our tee policy.  I'll bet the white tees would be a lot closer to the yellows than the blues when we play there.

One final comment.  For only a nickle more tournament results could include the CTP winning distances, making them more interesting.

Pete Hackney

Move it Forward

Posted by Pat O'Brien on February 26, 2014 at 4:30 PM Comments comments (0)

It has come to my attention that members have left our association because of the

tees from which we're required to play.  Most members tee off from the white tees,

while others play from the senior tees.  To play from the senior tees, one must have

a handicap that places him  within the "D" Flight.    This method of assigning tees

has a drawback:  Depending on how one is playing, he may be in the C-Flight

one week and the D-Flight the next or vice versa.  I'm not sure how we go about fixing

this or if it needs fixing.  One members has recommended that players 80 years of

age and older play from the forward (tees) regardless of their handicap.  If you have

any suggestions with regard to this matter please post it, and I'll see that the board of

governors gets it.


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